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Why a FAQ?

Answered by: BlackHex
There are many common questions that people have when getting in to the world of exotic cooling and the forum regulars tire of seeing these so, where possible, complete and comprehensive answers to these questions will be added here.


Last Modified: 17:00 on the 20th of Apr 2001 (GMT)
Who updates this FAQ?

Answered by: BlackHex
Currently 5 people have access to update this FAQ, these are myself, continuum (C&C moderator), Spiv (C&C moderator), Ffieroboy, and of course our tireless Imperator Caesar. However everyone can have their say on the contents in the FAQ Thread.


Last Modified: 6:27 on the 9th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
What are the best fans?

Answered by: BlackHex
It is commonly voiced on the forums that either Papst or Panaflo fans are the pro's choice.

Unless you goal is simply maximum airflow, in which case you may want to look at Sunon fans.

For a comparson chart head over to Gizzo's Fan Page.


Last Modified: 3:25 on the 6th of May 2001 (GMT)
I want a link for xyz, where can I find it?

Answered by: BlackHex
A good first port of call is the Links Thread. Be prepared to sort through a huge number of links - this is a thread that caught alot of peoples attention.


Last Modified: 18:10 on the 20th of Apr 2001 (GMT)
How do I prevent transmission of vibration from my fans to the case?

Answered by: BlackHex
There are several ways you can tackle this but they all come down to placing some kind of dampening material between the fan and the case.

Success has been had with rubber grommets, silicone sealant (like you use on bathroom windows), draft proofing strip, and some even use rubber suspension (hang your fans on strips of rubber).

Hard drive isolation


Last Modified: 21:27 on the 10th of May 2001 (GMT)
Can I reduce the noise of my PC by lining the case?

Answered by: BlackHex
Yes. You can reduce the noise, the reduction won’t be vast but if you’ve already got your rig as quiet as you can by other means, then this should be the icing on the cake.

Be aware however that if most of the noise in your case is the rush of air then this will probably do little for you.

You can use many different materials for this task, including commercially available sound deadening mats (call into your local automotive store), carpet (the denser the better), and cork.

(from Ffieroboy): I have also had some success lining case panels and the front bezel with sound deadening foam. Despite what some people believe, there is almost no impact on cooling. And since the foam is lighter than mass-loading materials, your computer will not be so hefty.

Some Discussion
Dynamat to quiet cases


Last Modified: 5:38 on the 26th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Why would I want to round my cables?

Answered by: BlackHex
Rounded cables have several advantages:
  • They are more flexible i.e. easier to work with.
  • They look neater within your case.
  • Flat cables tend to interfere badly with airflow, rounded cables offer alot less interference.

However they also have a couple of disadvantages:
  • They are tricky to make the first couple of times and you may well waste a couple of cables.
  • They can cause increased electrical interference in the cable, hence reducing your acheivable data rate. This is enough to put many off but for the lower bus speeds (ATA33) this doesn't seem to be a significant problem.


Systemlogic.net recently did a performance analysis. Ars Thread with link to it here. It looks like rounding cables does not affect performance, but from my own experience a single example is not conclusive. However, properly done it should be safe. Wrapping rounded cables in foil tape has also been discussed in Storagereview.com's forums.

Reference:



Last Modified: 22:04 on the 2nd of Aug 2001 (GMT)
How do I calculate the combined dB(A) of my fans?

Answered by: continuum
total dB = 10 * log (10fan#1 / 10 + 10fan#2 / 10 + ....)

Posted by cpemma, originally from Papst:
Fan noise (if voltage is directly proportional to RPMs):
N1 = N2 - 50log(RPM2/RPM1)

Where N1 is dBA at RPM1, N2 is dBA at RPM2. If RPM is proportional to volts,

N1 = N2 - 50log(V2/V1)

So 7-volting gives about 11.7dbA drop, 9-volting 6.2dBA below the 12v noise level. With the perfect case, you'll lose 1/12 of your flow for every volt down you go, but with flow resistance it's a fair bit more.


Last Modified: 22:02 on the 24th of Jun 2001 (GMT)
How hot should my CPU run?

Answered by: BlackHex
As a rule try to keep your CPU below 45C (113F) when running under load (e.g. QuakeIII demo).

You are probably OK up to around 60C / 65C (140F / 149F) but if it goes higher than that then start worrying. Remember that without some truly fancy cooling you will never get below room temp so the hotter the room the hotter the CPU.

Recently on overclockers.com an AMD CPU temperature calculation guide was done. Checking it out is highly recommended. It will work with some additional calculations for Intel CPUs too. There is also a link to a heat calculation program called Radiate on the site.


Last Modified: 22:17 on the 2nd of Aug 2001 (GMT)
How should I mount my HeatSink/Fan?

Answered by: BlackHex
It is strongly recommended that you don't use Thermal Pads (TIM's), instead use a very thin layer of thermal paste (e.g. Arctic Silver) smoothly spread onto the base of your CPU.

When you mount the HSF place it straight down on the CPU and clamp, don't wriggle it to try to spread the paste, as this will worsen your cooling.

If you have a HSF with a TIM on the bottom you will need to carefully remove it with something like a razor blade. Rubbing alcohol and the edge of a credit card also work. WD-40, brake cleaner, and stronger solvents may also be used if your TIM is stubborn. Take care not to scratch the HSF. If you do scratch it then a light rubbing down with a fine (1000+grit) sandpaper would be advised. continuum's thermal grease application guide: right here. Hardware OC has a guide as well, here which is more throuogh but does not tell you how to tell how much grease is enough, IMHO.

One thing: don't use a shim. It may protect your CPU core from chipping (only applicable to AMD Socket A and Intel FC-PGA packaging), but it does not improve cooling. Overclockers.com: Coolerguys non-conductive CPU shims and Overclockers.com: Copper CPU spacers.

As/400's heatsink installation instructions


Last Modified: 21:44 on the 13th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
What's the difference between a fanbus and a baybus?

Answered by: BlackHex
A fanbus is simply a junction box for all your fan cables, it helps to keep your case tidy.

A BayBus is an invention from Cliff Anderson that allows you to switch voltages to your fans, it is usualy mounted in a drive bay - hence BayBus - and has some groovy LED's on it. You can find more about them, including design information at Cliff's FanBus.


Last Modified: 23:37 on the 22nd of Apr 2001 (GMT)
What's the best HSF?

Answered by: polarbare
This one's tricky and oft gets debated - current views are as follows but feel free to drop in and challenge us. For Socket 370/Socket A chips:
  1. Quiet, but effective - Taisol CGK760092, Taisol CGK742092 is ok (older all-aluminum version)
  2. Reasonable noise, but better performance - Alpha PEP66t with standard fan (YS Tech, Sunon, or Delta thin fan- 20~30cfm), SVC Golden Gate/OCZ Gladiator with standard fan (e.g. Young Lin Tech 30cfm)
  3. Loud as hell, but best cooling for not quite insane money - Alpha PEP66t with 7000 RPM fan, Coolermaster CB5-6G52, Globalwin CAK38
  4. Also loud as hell, but getting cheaper than the ones below and just about as effective: the OCZ Gladiator/SVC Golden Gate with Delta38cfm or YSTech 40cfm fan. Not quite as effective as the heatsinks below in performance/noise due to smaller surface area...
  5. Costly but very good, Thermalright SK6 w/Delta 38 or YSTech 40cfm fan, Thermaltake Volcano 7+, Millenium Thermal Glaciator II (very quiet for the performance!), Thermalright AX7 (also quiet for the performance!)
  6. Expensive, but best cooling - Swiftech MCX462A, Alpha PAL8045. It is only marginally better than the heatsinks in the category immediately above. Not worth the price to upgrade in many people's eyes

P4 cooling is progressing. overclockers.com and a few other sites have good roundups. Alpha's PAL8942, Swiftech's MCX478, Thermaltake Volcano 7+ are among the top. AVC Sunflower is a good lower-end cooler; the stock Intel cooler is actually very good.

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For Slot 1/Slot A cooling, the best heatsinks still appear to be from Alpha Novatech-- the P3125 for P3's and P7125 for Athlon's. Loaded with two YSTech or Delta fans and you simply get incredible air cooling short of anything the size of a dictionary book for your heatsink (a la Swiftech). Globalwin's VOS32 is also excellent, but not quite as good. Cheaper coolers are available from Vantec and others and are adequate as well.

The Alpha PAL6035 is not recommended above, simply because it isn't as good as the Alpha PEP66. It will probably fit on more motherboards since it has a top mount (vs. side mount) fan... but numerous other heatsinks are very good now, just as good as the PAL6035 and PEP66. When outfitted with the Delta 38cfm fan, the PEP66 still holds its own against the competition, while the PAL6035 does not perform quite as high.

Reference Material:



Last Modified: 23:53 on the 17th of Mar 2002 (GMT)
Does RAM need cooling?

Answered by: continuum
No, ram does not need cooling. This is related to the heatspreaders seen on Rambus DRAM (RDRAM), which people seem to think means ram needs cooling. nVidia Geforce2Ultra's also have stock ram cooling. To answer:
  1. SDRAM- your normal PC66, PC100, PC133 stuff does not need cooling. It will not benefit from cooling except in extraordinary situations.
  2. DDR SDRAM- your normal PC1600, PC2100, and now PC2400 ram is unknown-- results so far show it runs cool and does NOT need cooling.
  3. DDR SDRAM on video cards- does seem to make some gains from cooling, but its much higher effective clock rate (usually up to 250mhz DDR, or 500mhz effective) is the difference here.


Last Modified: 23:55 on the 17th of Mar 2002 (GMT)
Does my video card need cooling?

Answered by: continuum
Short answer: most do not need additional cooling beyond stock. The only current production cards (as of April 2001 are Geforce1/2/3, ATI Radeon, Matrox G450 are examples) that seem to run excessively hot are nVidia Geforce cards. Those *require* at least the stock heatsink/fan combination.
Soapbox: Geforce cards don't benefit greatly from core overclocking, so replacing the heatsink/fan doesn't gain much overclocking improvement unless the stock fan is dying and needs to be replaced.
What to buy: If you must replace your fan, the Globalwin FA420, Tennmax Lasanga, Millisec Vice-series, and Thermaltake Blue Orb are often recommended. I do not recommend the Blue Orb due to extremely poor design, as discussed here and here, but it does seem effective.


Last Modified: 6:15 on the 29th of Apr 2001 (GMT)
Does my motherboard chipset need cooling?

Answered by: continuum
No-- the stock heatsink or heatsink/fan provided (on some KT133/KT133A boards) is perfectly adequate. Many users prefer to improve the stock heatsink performance by adding thermal grease between the chipset and heatsink, but beyond that you usually do not need anything else.


Last Modified: 6:16 on the 29th of Apr 2001 (GMT)
Why do I need a 300watt power supply for my Athlon?

Answered by: continuum
You don't need a 300watt power supply for your Athlon. Many people have used their 145, 200, 235, 250, and 275watt power supplies with success. You can check AMD's recommened power supply list to start with for recommendations.

Athlons are known for high power draws on the +3.3v and +5v rails of your power supply. For this reason, many smaller-wattage (250 and smaller) power supplies may not have sufficiently powerful +3.3v and +5v rails to power your Athlon.

For this reason, and the very low additional cost of buying a new 300watt (vs. 250watt) power supply most people will recommend that you should buy a 300watt power supply for your Athlon. If you already have a smaller power supply, I recommend that you try it out and see what happens. If you are buying a new case/power supply, it is recommended that you buy one with a 300watt power supply- the price difference should be less than $10 US.

As a side note, most microATX and flexATX cases only come with 145watt power supplies. A quality one should run an Athlon just fine.

Also see this:


Last Modified: 21:17 on the 13th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Should my CPU fans blow up and away from, or down onto the CPU?

Answered by: continuum

Question courtesy of The Racksasha.

Your heatsink fan should blow the way it came from the manufacturer on your CPU. With the exception of a few new heatsinks (most Alpha Novatech designs and the Hedgehog 238M are notable exceptions), that means the fan should blow air onto the CPU!

You can try what works best on your system, but most heatsinks do not have shrouds to direct airflow effectively for sucking, although some might work better with airflow being sucked away from the heatsink. Heatsinks such as the Alpha PAL6035, Alpha PEP66, HedgeHog 238M, are examples of heatsinks that come with shrouds and are designed to have airflow sucked away from the heatsink.

Most other heatsinks work best (or only work, depending on the fan setup) with the fan blowing down on to the heatsink. This includes heatsinks from Globalwin, Thermaltake, Agilent, Coolermaster, Vantec, and others.

Also, case airflow is very important to heatsink performance. You may want to flip your fan or fans so they cooperate with each other, including your heatsink fan. It depends strongly on your case. Again, YMMV.



Last Modified: 21:36 on the 1st of May 2001 (GMT)
What are the colour codes on PC wiring?

Answered by: BlackHex
For the standard cabling within your PC (e.g. to the hard drives) the colour code is as follows:
Ground:Black
+12V:Yellow or sometimes a shade of Orange
+5V:Red


Last Modified: 22:54 on the 10th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Do I need to cool my hard drives?

Answered by: BlackHex
In general you do not need to cool your hard drives. Most modern drives run quite cool, with the notable exception of some very high performance SCSI drives.

However, hard drives do produce heat so it is necessary to ensure you have reasonable air flow through your case. Also, if you have several hard drives stacked one on top of the other in a drive cage, cooling might become a concern. But once again, as long as there's a small amount of airflow through the drive cage, your drives should be fine.

For those drives that do warrant cooling (high end SCSI or older drives), and you'll know when they need it 'cos they'll be too hot to touch after a couple of hours. Bay coolers are the most common solution, either home made or comercial. Your other option is water cooling but this is only for the truely dedicated.


Last Modified: 5:42 on the 26th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Is there any way I can monitor temperatures in my case or of my CPU?

Answered by: Spiv
Yes, there are both hardware and software solutions to this.

For software, among the leading is hardware monitor ( http://www.hmonitor.com ) and motherboard monitor ( http://mbm.livewiredev.com ). Between those two most motherboards are covered (assuming they have monitoring capabilites), but be sure to check and see if your equipment is supported by the software. Note also that many motherboard manufacturers supply their own software that you might want to check out per manufacturer.

For hardware solutions, there are the digidoc series ( http://www.macpower.com.tw ), which can control fans as well, Compu-Nurse ( http://www.plycon.com/nurse.htm (sorry, best link I could find)) or even a SLURP ( http://www.pc-workshop.net/slurp/index.shtml ) for the do-it-yourself-ers.


Last Modified: 17:20 on the 3rd of May 2001 (GMT)
How do I paint my case?

Answered by: Spiv
The most comprehensive tutorial around seems to be the infamous Built my First's Case Painting Tutorial, found here.

Although it is full of expensive equipment, you can still do a quality job with a spraycan(laquers, enamels, etc) using many of the techniques. If you only take away a couple points of interest from that, it should be clean work area, primers, spray patterns, wetsanding, wetsanding, and rubbing compounds, in that order.


Last Modified: 8:08 on the 5th of May 2001 (GMT)
Are there any special instructions for painting fans?

Answered by: Spiv
Yes, and Wookiecrisp has managed to put together an excellent tutorial that came along with his Enlight 7237 mods. You can find the section here: http://www.neima.com/en7237mod06.shtml


Last Modified: 17:52 on the 3rd of May 2001 (GMT)
What is the best SECC1/SECC2 heatsink/fan (Slot 1/SlotA)?

Answered by: continuum

As the slot interface is slowly dying out at the moment, the choices for best heatsink haven't changed in the last year or more.

  • Alpha P3125 for Pentium II/III Slot (SECC2) packages is considered the best by many.
  • Alpha P7125 for Athlons and Pentium II (SECC1) is a minor modification of the P3125 to fit some early Athlon motherboards. These two heatsinks from Alpha are considered the best available, especially when fitted with YSTech 26cfm or Delta 38cfm fans.
  • Globalwin VOS32 is the next recommendation. It too can be loud, but it is a monsterous cast heatsink. Equipped with the same YSTech fans as the Alphas, performance is extremely close.
  • Vantec P3-5030 is only an adequate cooler.
  • Thermaltake SECC2 Orb is somewhat better than the Vantec, but is still only adequate.

Attaching heatsinks to non-stock CPUs (e.g. heat plate removed, outer casing removed, etc.) is not covered here and affects performance as well. The copper-bottomed Alphas should still retain the best performance when attached directly to the core, although we have not yet searched for such information.

2cooltek.com Slot Heatsink Tests
Information on Alpha fitments.



Last Modified: 1:48 on the 6th of May 2001 (GMT)
What is the best material for a heatsink? (or a coldplate?)

Answered by: continuum

Disclaimer: I have had some materials science education but am not a materials science engineer. Contributions and feedback from others who are more knowledgeable is always appreciated and will be credited accordingly.

It generally comes down to copper or aluminum. Silver is slightly better than copper, but it is such a small difference that it's not worth the cost is the general consensus. Silver's only real signficiant advantage in terms of thermal efficiency over copper is marginal at best. However, given the significant additional cost and minimal performance gain otherwise, silver generally is not worth it.

From a pure performance standpoint, copper is better than aluminum.

Disadvantages to copper are its weight and that it is hard to machine versus aluminum. Examine the copper heatsinks today. Not a single one (Hedgehog 238M, Globalwin CAK38) except the Zalman fan-sinks approaches what has been done with aluminum sinks such as the Globalwin WBK or the aluminum/copper based Alpha PAL6035 and PEP66. Also, copper heatsinks suffer from oxidation which can degrade efficiency slightly.

Aluminum's key advantages are that it is ligher than copper, easy to worth with, and that it is cheap. Very cheap. Other than that, it is an inferior material for heatsinks and coldplates. For information on specific thermal conductivity tables, see the links question up above.

Reference:



Last Modified: 22:01 on the 23rd of Oct 2001 (GMT)
How do I make a lexan/plexiglass case?

Answered by: continuum

Linkage.... from HardOCP and others.

Sellers of clear cases.

This particular post is starved for information and will be added as needed/found...



Last Modified: 23:44 on the 1st of Aug 2001 (GMT)
Where can I buy EL (electroluminiscent) cables for my PC?

Answered by: continuum
Check this thread on Ars: EL cables


Last Modified: 21:26 on the 10th of May 2001 (GMT)
How do I turn on an ATX PS without a motherboard?

Answered by: continuum
Check this guide from Virtual Hideout.

Also, how to build an ATX power supply tester-- the $8 or $17 gadgets you see with a little black box attached from some places now.


Last Modified: 21:58 on the 26th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about sometimes.

Answered by: Spiv
After spending alot of time talking about the same general subjects alot of slang, jargon, and ancronyms have been thrown around, and it's more than likely anyone who hasn't been here forever doesn't have much hint to what they are. I'll try to provide a list, though I'm sure some will be missed, just email me whenever you come across ones that I missed:
 
  • Arc Welder: type of welder
  • Arcing: electricity bridges a gap, usually denoted by a "popping" sound. Generally bad news.
  • Cap: Capacitor. Stores voltage to increasing levels until either hits its "capacitance" or is able to discharge into something (like wandering fingers.) Most dangerous thing in power supplies because they can hold power after the PSU has been unplugged.
  • CCF, C&CF: Case and Cooling Fetish
  • CF: Compact Flash
  • CFM: cubic feet per minute. Measurement of fluid movement; usually airflow through fans
  • CPU: central processing unit (commonly known as "processor"). Not the same as a computer
  • EL: electro-luminescent; usually cable that lights up upon electrical charging
  • EMF: electro magentic frequency
  • EMI: electro magnetic interference
  • FD: Floppy Disk [drive]
  • FDD: Floppy Disk Drive
  • GPH: Gallons per Hour. A measure of the pumping power of a water pump
  • HDD: Hard Disk Drive
  • Hose Clamp: a device that attaches to the outside of a hose, used to firmly attach a hose to a fitting
  • HS: heatsink
  • HSF: heatsink/fan
  • I.D.: Inside diameter, commonly used to describe the internal diameter of pipes and tubing
  • Inline Pump: A type of water pump that does not need to be submerged in water. Instead, the pump uses an intake hose to feed water into it.
  • IR: infrared
  • Lapping/Lapped: Sanding a heatink to be as flat as possible to provide maximum contact area.
  • LCD: liquid crystal display; small display screen
  • LED: light emitting diode; like the little lights used to show hard drive activity
  • MIG: type of welding. Gas metal arc welding-- very common type of welding. Easy to learn. See here for more.
  • Mobo: motherboard
  • mod: Modify
  • Molex: Type of connector/plug used to provide power to devices inside a computer
  • O.D.: Outside diameter, commonly used to describe the outer diameter of pipes and tubing
  • Peltier: See TEC
  • Pot: potentiometer. Used to regulate voltage based on resistance (sometimes known as rheostat)
  • PSU: power supply unit
  • Reservoir: In a water cooling system, the reservoir is a container filled with coolant
  • RF: radio frequency
  • Rig: complete computer
  • SLURP: sensor/LED user readout panel. Homemade tempurature monitor w/LEDs
  • Submersible Pump: a water pump that needs to be fully submerged in liquid. A submersible pump is usually housed inside a reservoir.
  • TEC: Thermo Electric Cooler. Electrically moves heat from one side of the plate to the other. Also called Peltier for inventor of principle that drives it.
  • Tie Wrap: small plastic thing used to hold stuff in place. Usually not removable without destroying the tie. All plastic, completely non-metallic to be safe for computer use.
  • TIG: type of welding. Tungsten Inert Gas Welding (Gas Tungsten Arc Welding (GTAW)) is the strongest type of welding commonly used. See here for more.
  • TIM: Thermal Interface Material. Those funky yellow pads that you find on some heatsinks.
  • Water Block: The water cooling version of a heatsink. A water block mounts onto the CPU in a similar fashion to a heatsink, but uses liquid rather than air to cool the CPU
  • Zip Tie: See Tie Wrap


Last Modified: 8:48 on the 9th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
Why would I want to lap my heatsink?

Answered by: Spiv
The purpose of a heatsink is to draw heat from the processor to a place where it can more easily be removed from the system. The ability for heat to be transferred from a processor to a heatsink is based on thermal condcutivity of the metal in the heatsink, and the surface area that it contacts. Since you're more than likely stuck with either copper or aluminum at this point the only thing you're able to change is the surface contact, and this is where lapping comes in to play.

Lets do this in two situations:

First, you have a random brick laying on a nice flat table. The brick has ridges, bumps, pits, holes, and is even slightly warped. What percentage of the brick is actually contacting the table? Probably less than 50%

Next, you have a polished piece of marble that is the same size as the brick sitting on that same table. What percentage of the marble block is actually contacting the table? Probably about 95%.

By lapping a heatsink, you make it go from a random brick of aluminum to a high contact area "polished marble" situation. Many high end heatsinks are finely machined to be as flat as machining can make them on the bottom, but even those can benefit from lapping. Sometime take a random heatsink you have laying around, spray a light coat of paint on it (let it dry), and run it lightly across a wet piece of high grade sandpaper. What gets touched and what doesn't may suprise you.

Here's a rather extreme example. This old school socket heatsink after a minute of lapping on 2000grit sandpaper:



The heatsink was warped, so only the outer edges actually made contact. In effect, the red in this picture shows how much of the heatsink gets a fair chance to cool the chip:




Last Modified: 23:46 on the 20th of May 2001 (GMT)
Should I lap my processor?

Answered by: Spiv
Generally speaking, NO!!! This used to be a common practice with older processors but their format has changed over the years. Take for instance these 3 different intel processors:
Pentium 75:



Pentium 120:



PIII 700e:



The most importaint thing to notice on these is the location of the CPU slug. In the PIII 700e it's easily visible because it's the big blue thing in the middle. There is very, very little substance between the surface that you see there and the transistors inside. Even a small amount of sanding could easily expose/destroy them in the case of the modern chip. Aside from that, modern processors are actually incredibly flat without any help.
Case one and two, the earlier processors, the CPU slug is actually mounted on the underside of the chip (hence, when they flipped it to the other side, they called it the "flip chip"), as visible in this picture:



The top of the chips are in one case a ceramic heatspreader, and in the other an alumium heatspreader mounted to ceramic/the processor core. In either of these examples, as is also the case in older AMD K6 chips, lapping the processor might do some good (assuming it's done with great care).


Last Modified: 23:14 on the 20th of May 2001 (GMT)
How do I get my system to shut down automatically if something fails?

Answered by: continuum
Peltier and water cooling owners often ask this. Try this link, I haven't tried it myself though...

Procooling.com - CPU Over-Temp detector


Last Modified: 10:28 on the 27th of May 2001 (GMT)
What ATX case should I buy?

Answered by: continuum

Mid towers:
Some are pretty tall- up to 21" or so...

Full towers:
Most are >24" tall except the cube servers, which vary in height.

Cases to avoid
(for cooling, size, construction quality, or other reasons- most are just outdated designs and may work quite well still):

  • CasEdge's original LX734A (aka 3400T): nice case, insufficient cooling
  • In-Win A500 (nice construction, but cooling is insufficient for today's systems)
  • PSI 917J (crap)
  • Enlight's original 7237 (original version was decent in its day much like the A500, today it needs more cooling)
  • Antec KS-280 (also Supermicro SC-701A) (nice construction, outdated design)

You will doubtless note some cases aren't mentioned in any detail, or even mentioned at all. Information on those cases may be scarce, there may not be enough reviews on it, we may not have an opinion on it, etc.
This list is NOT all-inclusive and is not meant to be.



Last Modified: 1:01 on the 1st of Jun 2001 (GMT)
How do peltiers work?

Answered by: continuum
Try this for starters:
Heatsink-guide.com's guide to peltiers
Peltier control unit - overclockers.com review
PWM (pulse width modulation) for peltiers- should work for fans too


Last Modified: 0:15 on the 1st of Jun 2001 (GMT)
Can I increase the stability of my system by upgrading the capacitors?

Answered by: continuum
It's a question no one has asked yet, but from what I just saw on overclockers.com it may be a worthwhile read.

"Serendipitous Stupidity?" - overclockers.com


Last Modified: 6:35 on the 27th of May 2001 (GMT)
Is fan stacking (putting fans in series) beneficial?

Answered by: continuum
Overclockers.com had very marginal gains with contra-rotating CPU fans. For case fans, the answer is no. It's not a simple no, but to anyone who asks, don't bother. It's not worth the noise gain. Below are threads to two conversations on this, there is one or two more that I haven't bothered to look for.



Last Modified: 2:34 on the 13th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Is a heat spreader on a CPU a good thing or a bad thing?

Answered by: continuum

Note that current AMD Socket A and Intel FC-PGA CPUs all have exposed cores, unlike previous chips which were covered in metal (Intel PPGA, AMD K6) or ceramic (Intel Pentium, Intel/AMD 486, etc).

This is supposedly for improved cooling, but as AMD has found the CPU cores are more fragile than they seem and can be damaged easily.

Intel has thus reintroduced the IHS (integrated heat spreader) to improve CPU cooling. Whacked (crazy), is it not? When you think about it, however...

  1. Most heatsinks use a copper base for best performance.
  2. The IHS is composed of copper (nickel-plated)
  3. Thermal grease application is very important.

With #2, a copper heat spreader is already there so it's less critical for a heatsink to have a copper base. It still is very beneficial. With #3, the thermal grease application is not as critical either, which is vital to OEMs and mass-market consumers.

This is all debatable and ultimately the IHS may hurt cooling, but how much it hurts cooling is very questionable at this time, since only experienced overclockers usually take advantage of the exposed CPU core and copper-based heatsinks to squeeze the extra 0~5C of temperature improvement from careful heatsink preparation and installation.

Some discussion.
1000mhz PIII and it had a heat spreader on it!



Last Modified: 0:34 on the 25th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
Is it OK to use a copper water block and aluminum radiator in my water cooling system?

Answered by: Ffieroboy
Those of you who are familiar with chemistry and/or metallurgy will probably be familiar with what is called a "cathodic reaction" (also frequently called "electrolysis" or the "battery effect"). Basically, when two metals of different valences come on contact with each other, one metal will end up "stealing" electrons from the other, causing the second metal to corrode at an accelerated rate.

This type of reaction happens between copper and aluminum. The copper "steals" electrons from the aluminum, causing the aluminum to deteriorate. This type of reaction can be a concern in a water cooling system where some of the components are aluminum and some are copper (for example an aluminum radiator and copper water block). Even though the aluminum and copper may not be in direct contact with each other, the water in the system will conduct the electrons from one component to the other.

So how to avoid this? Well, there are several approaches you could take:

1) Use components that are all made of one metal. For example, using a copper water block with a copper-core radiator, or using an aluminum water block with an aluminum radiator.

2) Mix an additive into the water to avoid corrosion. Making a solution of 75% water and 25% automotive antifreeze should help things considerably, although it probably won't stop corrosion completely. Also note that Redline Water Wetter does NOT provide adequate corrosion resistance.

3) Use a coolant other than water. You could use a coolant that is not electrically conductive. Since such coolant does not conduct electricity, it will not carry the electrons from the aluminum to the copper, and the cathodic reaction will not take place. The two most common alternatives to water are alcohol and mineral oil. Unfortunately, alcohol is very volatile and evaporates at a high rate, making it an unsafe coolant. Mineral oil doesn't conduct heat very well, which makes it a poor coolant as well.

4) Place a sacrificial anode in your reservoir (assuming you have a reservoir). You can find sacrificial anodes at most auto parts stores. Basically, what the sacrificial anode does is to "divert" the cathodic reaction. Instead of the aluminum giving up its electrons to the copper, the sacrificial anode will give up its own electrons to the copper, thus protecting the aluminum. However, the sacrificial anode will deteriorate over time and will have to be replaced every so often.



Last Modified: 6:15 on the 26th of Jul 2001 (GMT)
What's a fan duct?

Answered by: continuum

A fan duct is a tube, box, or other enclosed connection for a fan to either intake air or exhaust air from a remote opening. They are often used to direct air from a fan to a specific point inside or outside a case. It's hard to describe, and easier to visualize.

Effectiveness is tricky to determine-- many situations where hot air from a CPU or video card is immediately exhausted out of a case via a fan and duct can be very effective, but ducts can also block internal case airflow. Do experiment before going overboard.

References:

  • Overclockers.com- The Effectiveness of Air Ducts in CPU Cooling
  • Fong-Kai cases sometimes are ducted.


  • Last Modified: 22:08 on the 2nd of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    Everyone's into water cooling now. How can I build my own water cooling system?

    Answered by: Ffieroboy
    Well, before plunging headlong into the world of water cooling, you should do some homework. Familiarize yourself with the physics involved, the components involved, the necessary maintainance, the dangers, etc. Here are some links to some good introductory info:

  • Tweaktech water cooling guide
  • Overclockers.com - Detailed water cooling guide
  • Overclockers.com - Greg's water cooling journey
  • DangerDen water cooler instructions
  • VoidYourWarranty.net Water Cooling Guide
  • After learning a bit about water cooling in general, you'll be ready to get into the more detailed stuff. Before going out and ordering a bunch of water cooling gear, you'll need to 'spec out' your cooling system. In other words, you'll be determining the specs of the individual components. The Tweaktech link above has some info on determining the necessary water flow and airflow for your water cooling system. Determining the size/shape/type of radiator and radiator fans, the brand of pump, and whether to use an inline pump or reservoir are basically personal choices, and will be influenced by the amount of space in your computer case and your own personal preferences.

    After determining the specs of the cooling components, you'll then want to select a coolant. Water is the most common coolant, and is readily available. If you're using mis-matched metals in your cooling system (see my post above), then you'll want to add something to inhibit corrosion (antifreeze works well). You'll also want to add something to prevent funky stuff from growing in your water (antifreeze and bleach both work well). Also, you can check out the Tweaktech liquid coolant comparison to see how some popular coolants stack up.

    Now that you've determined the specs of the components and the desired coolant, it's time to visit a few vendors and buy some goodies. So where to by this stuff? I'm glad you asked :) Here are some highly reputable vendors who sell some very good products:

  • DangerDen
  • Cool Computers
  • Case Etc.
  • Leufken Technologies
  • 2CoolTek

    OK, now that you have all your water cooling goodies, how do you install them in your computer? Well, the guides mentioned above should be pretty helpful. They cover most of the general stuff. A lot of your choices will be influenced by the amount of space available in your computer case, but here are a couple useful tips.

  • Hose Clamps: These simple devices will save your computer's butt. A water leak will fry your computer in a heartbeat. Put a hose clamp on each and every hose connection, whether you think it's necessary or not. You can find hose clamps at your local auto parts store or hardware store.
  • Shims and spacers: If you have an AMD processor (Duron, T-Bird, Palomino), it would be a good idea to buy a shim to install on your CPU. It's not necessary, but you can consider it as "insurance" for your CPU. The shim will protect your CPU from being crushed by your water block.


  • Last Modified: 18:28 on the 27th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    What is the best water pump?

    Answered by: Redleader

    For most people a Danner or Eheim pump is best. Danner pumps are very reasonably priced and of good quality. Eheims are more expensive, but are considered to be the highest quality by many enthusiasts. Rio pumps are used as well, but are considered to be much less reliable for use in computers.

    If price is an issue, go with the Danner. They are good pumps and to get equivalent flow from an Eheim will easily cost you twice as much. If you want a nearly silent pump you can put in and never have to touch again go with the Eheim.

    Popular models of Eheim are the 1048 and 1250 rated at 158 and 316 GPH respectively. Popular Danner pumps are the Model 2, Model 3, and Model 5, rated for 250, 350, and 500 GPH respectively. Larger pumps are available from both companies, but tend to be less useful due to the large amount of heat they add to the coolant and flow rate limitations in the actual setup.

    Eheim pumps are available from DangerDen, while Danner can be bought from PetSmart.

    What size you need depends on your setup. Larger pumps are restricted more and more by the size of your tubing while adding more and more heat to the system. An Eheim 1250 pump heats the coolant as much an 866MHz P3 or dual Celeron 300As! Also consider the restrictions in your block and radiator. A maze block, and cooling cube would be better paired with a larger pump then a low restriction setup using an open block and a heatercore.

    With that in mind we know that some setups are better with certain pumps then others, but any of the pumps mentioned above will flow enough for a basic watercooling setup.



    Last Modified: 7:05 on the 14th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    Which is better, heater cores or cube-style radiators?

    Answered by: Redleader

    There is no simple reply. Both are effective ways to cool your coolant.

    Heater cores cover a wide range of products, but all of which were originally meant for cars, not PCs. As such they tend to be huge, powerful and cheap. The most well-known is the Big Mama, which is converted for computer use before being shipped. Others are available from your local auto parts or radiator shop for less money, if you don’t mind searching them out and adding the barbs yourself. If cost is important or you need all out performance and you have plenty of room to fit it, then a heater core is probably your best bet.

    Most cube radiators are pulled from refrigeration units. Their fins are stacked so they fit nicely into smaller places. Cube radiators perform on par with heater cores in all but the most extreme setups, but tend to restrict water flow more then the low resistance in a heater core. Therefore more powerful pumps are recommended with cubes. If money is somewhat important and you can’t fit a heater core, then a cube is for you.

    A third choice is the Black Ice from HWLabs. The Black Ice is custom made for water cooling by a fellow Ars member. It’s very small, easy to mount and packs unbeatable performance for its size. If cost isn’t an issue you probably want a Black Ice.

    Heater cores are very cheap. Checkers Autoparts, AutoZone, and Discount Auto Parts sell some capable heatercores for ~$25. Unfortunately, copper units are harder to find and they need to have fittings added. If you don’t feel comfortable doing this then the Dtek core (identical to the BigMama except painted and with 1/2inch fittings stock) is $43 from DTek Customs.

    Have no misconceptions, it is very difficult to mount and fit a heater core in a case. See this thread for what I had to do to fit a core in my midtower.

  • My new silent water cooling system
  • See this thread for even more info and links:

  • Suggest a good radiator


  • Last Modified: 6:20 on the 15th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    What is a bleedline, and do I need one?

    Answered by: Redleader

    A bleedline is simply a T-junction with a length of tube that is not connected to anything. This segment of tube is filled with excess coolant then plugged shut. Over time dissolved air floats up into it and more coolant sinks out of it. Eventually this removes the dissolved gases from your coolant, causing your pump to run somewhat quieter and increasing the performance of your coolant. They also provide additional coolant in case of a slow leak. Without one a leaking inline system will quickly cease to cool the processor.

    For best results a bleedline should be at the highest point in your system.



    Last Modified: 5:59 on the 15th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    Should I use 3/8" or 1/2" I.D. tubing in my water cooling system?

    Answered by: Redleader

    First let's be clear that this references the ID (inner diameter of the tubes). Basically the rated flow rate on your pump is impossible to achieve because flow restrictions greatly reduce it. By increasing the diameter of the tubing you can reduce the restriction on your system and therefore come closer to the rated flow rate of your pump.

    Now that you know the difference between the two, you should consider if it will help your system. A pump rated for 100GPH isn’t going to improve much, if at all, going from 3/8" to ½". A pump rated above 300 most likely will. Taking this to the extreme, very high flow pumps tend to use 5/8" or even ¾" fittings.

    Your cooling system is bottlenecked by its narrowest point. That means the entire system must be ½" ID to have any benefit. So if you want to go ½", then you must get a radiator, waterblock, pump and tubing all with 1/2" ID fittings.

    Most pumps are already at least ½" so that won’t be an issue. Likewise DangerDen offers the option of ½" ID barbs on their Maze2 blocks for no additional cost. Radiators can be harder. The Black Ice is not available in ½" as of yet, however nearly all heater cores are 5/8"-3/4" internally and can easily be fitted with ½" barbs. Additionally cubes are now available in ½ inch as well. See “Which is better, a heater core or a cube radiator?” for more info.

    Gains from ½" aren’t amazing in most cases, but they don’t require much if any added complexity or cost to your system.



    Last Modified: 6:08 on the 15th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
    Which hose clamps and tubing should I use in my water cooling system?

    Answered by: Redleader

    This is an often overlooked question. There are two types of tubing commonly used in watercooling are the silicon tube sold by Danger Den and clear vinyl tubing which can be bought for about 15-25 cents per foot at your local hardware store.

    Another consideration is the type of clamp used to seal connections. Silicon is best used with plastic clamps like those sold by Danger Den. Vinyl works well with metal hose clamps (readily available at auto parts stores and hardware stores). The two cannot be interchanged, as I learned the hard way. A metal clamp will cut silicon tube up like Swiss cheese, leaking water when it does so. A plastic clamp will not have enough tension to seal vinyl, leaking water gradually out of your system. Both work fairly well with their own respective tube types, but metal clamps seem better and are easier to fasten.



    Last Modified: 6:15 on the 15th of Aug 2001 (GMT)
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